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First debate. [Aug. 22nd, 2004|08:43 pm]
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[sweetbums]
Has debate gone to shit?
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[User Picture]From: libram
2004-08-22 05:53 pm (UTC)
Yes. This thread alone proves my point.

It's nice to know there are people who want real debates instead of worthless flaming.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 05:54 pm (UTC)
I should link my thread as well. You probably saw it :P Let me see if I can find it.
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[User Picture]From: sabbathunter
2004-08-22 06:41 pm (UTC)
i have left other messageboards due to personal attacks.

at one time i belonged to storm2k, which had a politics board. i was one of the few liberals there. instead of coming back with facts to my comments, instead i would get called 'liberal lemming' as starters. so i quit. i heard there were a few comments about that too.

but i always welcome a good debate, one where it is over an issue not personalities.

david
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 06:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I love how people think they're so tough online. I'd like to see one fight like that IRL; he/she would be beaten to a pulp.

If you're personally attacking someone you don't agree with, you have just lost the debate. Debating is about responding with facts and sources.
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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 08:14 pm (UTC)
Yes and no. If all you have to argue with is ad hominems, yeah, you've lost. But if you tack a personal attack on the end of a powerful argument just to hit 'em while they're down - well, you still have a powerful argument.

Personal attacks are just plain not very nice, but they don't add or subtract from arguments that have been made.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 08:15 pm (UTC)
Well, in my opinion, it just makes the other person look weak if they are resorting to insults. Furthermore, I feel the same way about people who think that if they yell the loudest, it adds to their viewpoint.
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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 08:46 pm (UTC)
Good analogy, and I think there's something to that. If nothing else, I'm rather less likely to take a person seriously if they are using personal attacks.
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[User Picture]From: libram
2004-08-22 08:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, and sweetbums, I've added you to my friends list. It's nice to know some intelligent people still exist in the world. *leers at the comments to the last post in your LJ* We need to be extra careful about not letting those trolls ruin a good thing. We already need a team to delete the spam. *sigh*
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From: salvation2me
2004-08-22 07:41 pm (UTC)
banning people already huh?
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 07:42 pm (UTC)
Yeap.
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[User Picture]From: jonfmorse
2004-08-22 07:52 pm (UTC)
I don't know what planet you guys are on where you think the modus operandi of debate has somehow changed; it's exactly the same as it's been since it was started years ago.

So, if you think debate is shit, that's because it's always been shit. Therefore, to say that it has gone to shit is inaccurate.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 07:54 pm (UTC)
I can't argue with you on that one. I suppose it was just new to me and I figured that to attain so many members, it was actually a place to debate.
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[User Picture]From: jonfmorse
2004-08-22 07:56 pm (UTC)
Yes. That would be why the best-selling CDs are released by philharmonic orchestras while nobody bothers to buy Britney Spears CDs, because quality and popularity go hand in hand.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 07:59 pm (UTC)
No, it's a place for real debate. You know- so we don't have to deal with useless comments that waste our time :)
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[User Picture]From: jonfmorse
2004-08-22 08:01 pm (UTC)
If one is concerned about wasting one's time, one should probably not be utilizing the greatest time-wasting invention in history.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 08:02 pm (UTC)
Agreed once again. However, I love some good debating.
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