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First debate. [Aug. 22nd, 2004|08:43 pm]
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[sweetbums]
Has debate gone to shit?
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[User Picture]From: sabbathunter
2004-08-22 06:41 pm (UTC)
i have left other messageboards due to personal attacks.

at one time i belonged to storm2k, which had a politics board. i was one of the few liberals there. instead of coming back with facts to my comments, instead i would get called 'liberal lemming' as starters. so i quit. i heard there were a few comments about that too.

but i always welcome a good debate, one where it is over an issue not personalities.

david
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 06:46 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I love how people think they're so tough online. I'd like to see one fight like that IRL; he/she would be beaten to a pulp.

If you're personally attacking someone you don't agree with, you have just lost the debate. Debating is about responding with facts and sources.
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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 08:14 pm (UTC)
Yes and no. If all you have to argue with is ad hominems, yeah, you've lost. But if you tack a personal attack on the end of a powerful argument just to hit 'em while they're down - well, you still have a powerful argument.

Personal attacks are just plain not very nice, but they don't add or subtract from arguments that have been made.
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[User Picture]From: sweetbums
2004-08-22 08:15 pm (UTC)
Well, in my opinion, it just makes the other person look weak if they are resorting to insults. Furthermore, I feel the same way about people who think that if they yell the loudest, it adds to their viewpoint.
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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 08:46 pm (UTC)
Good analogy, and I think there's something to that. If nothing else, I'm rather less likely to take a person seriously if they are using personal attacks.
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[User Picture]From: libram
2004-08-22 08:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, and sweetbums, I've added you to my friends list. It's nice to know some intelligent people still exist in the world. *leers at the comments to the last post in your LJ* We need to be extra careful about not letting those trolls ruin a good thing. We already need a team to delete the spam. *sigh*
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