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peace between Israel and Palestinians [Aug. 22nd, 2004|10:13 pm]
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ok here is a nice controversial topic to start off with :)

here is my feelings on the topic.
peace is attenable and in the near future but a few things must happen
1) israel pulls out of Gaza and most of the West bank (except for jerusalem) they can build any wall/barrier they want along the approx green line of 1967
2) the UN goes into the west bank and gaza and acts as the police force since currently the PA is unable or unwilling to do so
3) elections are held within the west bank and gaza to decide on a leader. an election in which arafat isnt eligble to run. he has stolen enough money and been enough of a hinderance to peace
4) 6 months after that election the UN begins to train a new independent police force
5) 1 year after; talks begin for a permanent peace between israel and palestine
6) the UN is redeployed to border positions in the west bank and gaza to make sure terrorists cannot get over the border.



From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 09:01 pm (UTC)
I certainly didn't delete it.
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[User Picture]From: sabbathunter
2004-08-22 09:11 pm (UTC)
neither did i, but it appears that two replies that were posted were deleted, for good cause.

anyway to continue the debate

is israel giving up a lot? yes, but mostly areas where they are not wanted and that was supposed to have been a palestinian state (for the most part) back in 1947.
at this point the west bank and gaza area cancer for israel. the amount of resources they are spending is ridiculous. (ill try to find the exact numbers)
i think that if an effective leader (read not arafat) was in charge of the would be palestinian state, a lot of the terror would disappear.

that leader would of course have to not steal money meant for the palestinain people, like arafat has. I really think that if the millions arafat stole went to the people like it was supposed to be the terror would be less.

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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 09:26 pm (UTC)
The terror would be gone only if the Palestinian people thought they got a good deal. Unfortunately, I don't know what that would take - would they be happy with just the Gaza strip, or would they want more?

It could be that then Jerusalem would be what they would want - isn't there plenty of significance to Muslims there, too?

Anyway, I agree that ideally, Israel would just give up that land, build a huge wall, and leave it at that. I wonder if there's something the UN could give them to make it a more favorable offer.
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[User Picture]From: sabbathunter
2004-08-22 09:44 pm (UTC)
well under my idea the palestinians would get gaza and the west bank, which is what they should have had in 1947 if not for their 'bretheren' and the war against israels independence.

as for jerusalem control of it should remain in israeli hands. with the muslim sites controled by muslims (as it is now)
they wouldnt be controlled by palestinians, but under some kind of Islam council or group (similar to they way the church of the holy sepcular is controlled by several christian sects)

nothing is going to be easy, but it is possible with a lot of work.

look at the peace between egypt and israel. israel gave up all the land (the sinai) it conqured from egypt. in return it was promised peace, and has gotten it on that front, even if it has been a cold peace at times.

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From: raistlinjones
2004-08-22 09:48 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a pretty decent idea.
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